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and the sea level around the station potential site it will impact the area by not thoughts couldn't be designed in a manner to take care of that the timeline estimates the phase two data and our existing sfals run time data for a those estimates and the best we can see from going from chinatown north to the i said of the line one station one dwell and under a little over 3 minutes and 3 and a half minutes to go up columbus and the surface links are a little bit longer roughly a 2 to 3 split the ron runway loop is 8 minutes and those are permeate stechlts a quick time comparison the purport box if
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those alignments were built from chinatown under the construction phase two project that is roughly 14 to 20 miles an hour and the loop will roughly be in that area significantly faster i'm going to turn it over to for bob for the next several side. >> thanks paul mccartney u paul. >> with those large improvements this extension as strong ridership riders about a quarter of those riders will be new trips open metropolitan folks moving to the subway and including the f line he etc. this is a good benefit those
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lines are over crowded and projected to get norway crowded you'll see this relieving the situation one of the concerns we have with the ridership whether the subway can handle it it doesn't includes as much of the area because of the neighborhoods the upper red line shows it is something on the order of 3 minutes train a 2 hundred 5 minute train >> our partners in this study is the planning department analyzed the geographics in the areas those neighborhoods are largely built out there are a few soft sites within a quarter of a mile
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radius and no off-site within a quarter of a mile of the north beach station using the planning department day our statistic economic evaluated the note that takes advantage of the property increases to help pay for the project there are several tools to obtain bonds but no one are going to pay for it in full those tools require substantial improvement they found that changing things like zoning height when increase the revenue from those mechanisms so we're looking at $100 million and 2 hundred this is 5 to 20 percent of the project that brings us to the capital costs estimate our cost folks perpetrate the magnitude costs for the concepts based on the
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database of similar database but adjusted for the inform those are 20 to $14 usable for the concept the biggest drivers are the length of the alignment and the underground surface our costs are $440 million up to $4.4 billion for the underground expect he'll notice that the undermine concept are r's are twice as fast in the option so as an example the left columns are the civic extensions later than accident area you'll see an estimate of $500 million and $900 million for an underground opposite we used the underground
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option to compare to the national basis so the federal cost effectiveness rating those promotions will be comfortably in the highest cost focusness in terms of dollars per trip fta program with the central subway will be an important part of the funding program for a project of this size but the land value has a potential to make the local match sales with the sales tax there are other joint developments that can come into that i'm going to turn it over to paul about other issues. >> we're in the homestretch the north beach station issue one of
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the things we've made clear nothing can happen until new environmental work is done for phase one and two has stretched that to the limit there were tradeoffs with different construction methods it gets more detailed but if you're in the nut shelf it would be less expensive we have data in the report not or in the report $333 million is the initial estimate and the estimate for the one that would be less disruptive and take longer than for concussion will say $500 million that seems higher than than the estimate you're doing a full turn around if there was a station wagon that was added into it they will be taking care of conrad square
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issue on the palace i'm going to turn it over to we have a lease hold on it for removing the t b m that is through may have rir7d and the first right of refusal this is in the appendix the owner is prepping to build 19 units and the department is going forward on this they're not waiting around for something to happen we look forward to that. >> how is the first right of refusal come in. >> if we say going forward for some reason didn't want to do the 19 units but thought he'd he sell it off that's the first right of refusal i'll have to conform that but that's my understanding after talking about with here that's christen. >> this is the matrix there is
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7 categories to do a quick summary comparison we were not going to pick a subway alliance from passengers they were graded plus it's better than average and the menus we think less than average and the green row the subway to columbia and to go powell are the ones with the highest scores and on the higher right one that goes up powell and the beach i'll be honest the group was bias on the subway alignments the issue was the liability and the long-term (we thought that would have a better performance. >> i think we courage you to read section 6 in the report if
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you're interested in a quantitatively active some of those things are more important than others ass. >> at the bottom we looked how difficult and challenging to construct and if you have a higher score here you again scored it was a more favorable number there recent 5s and 4s across there so your concept alignment i'll go through it columbus and powell and over on the beach and the one we've looped the line is going to come up from chvpt to north beach and with the tunnel in place the last slide is the next slide where does that go the blue line is the study and we're sharing with the officials it will feed into the 2040 plan and the strategy that is due to be
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implemented in 2015 with the rails in place including a new extension and old existing stuff that's in place such as the market street place that report is due out next year and this is the transit study due out later in 2016 that completes our report and the report is available online the appendix was up lowest this afternoon. >> board any comments. >> all right. so you do ha members of the public that want to address you (calling names). >> good afternoon i was looking
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at the slide presentation that's not about how to enhance the fleet to enhance the fleet lines from what i understand that the additional cars that's being purchased is to be used to replace the existing by the time at that cars not enhancing the fleet of the transit expansion two, that will be a liability to go ahead with this project as a subway because in the softness of we had rock you don't have to be an engineer to know that 75 thousand pound car a million or whatever the weight of the cement and the passengers on board and the location of the bay is a disaster it's totally
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ridiculous concept that would be better to run 0 on the surface of the street above vs. as a subway so it is ridiculous how this board wastes this public funds to do all those studies and things and it's a waste of our money if you want to conveyance the service take the money and enhance the lighter mode of transportation like the trolley and run that down through through the fisherman's wharf area this rail is totally ridiculous running a rail through fisherman's wharf that's really ridiculous wasting our money two-time consuming and too
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costing are for the city and having to deal with corruption. >> thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> (calling names.) >> good afternoon, sir. >> good afternoon classroom north korean and vice chair brink man and director i'm bruce a member of the central advisory committee sf next a member of the hill association my comments are enforced by my association board members first they can the team from the mta and ct a planning for an excellent job of the study and in addition to the quantity active cost benefits data that's highlight in this presentation the central subway to
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fisherman's wharf provide a connection of the neighborhoods on the earn side of the city from visitacion valley to fisherman's wharf it provides respective applicants to fisherman's wharf hotel rooms to the moscone center and provides capacity to transit demand and ultimately reduce the traffic congestion and trithsz to a more sustainable liveable city we support the outlines of the data and finding into the various transportation studies as mention in the presentation and recommend that the city may be planning of the real estate investigate the opportunity to obtain efforts ever access to central locations before they go to cite released back to the owner and late in addition to the ct a programs committee we
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recommend this presentation be shared with the full sfmta board thank you. >> (calling names) and good afternoon. i'm pat valentine i'm part of the advocacy group called next stop advocating for the fisherman's wharf and most of the vice president i'm that over for the presentation this is not only a great extension to get people to fisherman's wharf and north beach but to bring people down to south beach and mission bay we have a growing merchant community that is very important for the neighbors i live there as well 0 this will have benefits on both sides we've heard the study shows as the benefits of the extension bruce highlighted them a lot of people
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every time we look to build something people will complain about traffic and expense but i'll be riding the system and so we if we look at how much it took to get bart done and muni underground we see the benefits this is something we have to do for the future of san francisco jim lazarus couldn't stay i want to read a letter in the chamber of commerce as the work level continues to grow it is essentially, we expand our system with the growth slate to occur in the ed of the city and the t line connecting fisherman's wharf to moscone center makes sense and it will remove transit from the
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congested streets and will help with the connectivity. >> thank >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> (calling names.) >> good afternoon. >> i'm steven tobacco eerie have a couple of 3 capacities for the last 8 years i've been spurs spokeswoman in favor of the phase two of this project i'm currently the chairman of the transportation of the russian hill neighbors i this by far the largest neighborhood association in the service area of the phase 3 project spur support did phase two project and we're proud we had a major kroichl it/have not been designed to stop at chinatown it implicit makes sense from a prospective to have this enable
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stopping one stop away it from a major interchange and not serving a residential concentration in the northern part of the city so we're enthusiastic the importance of this extension extension is part of the four corridors plan it has been stated earlier our northeast residential neighborhood have a serious transportation issue i assume you are aware of we have high indents and low automobile ownership yet low transit rider shvp people using it as 32 percent as a whole we had 40 perris but our transit trips are
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equivalent to the speed of walking that will make a great contribution to the city's rail system and we emphasize you do whatever to get the theatre site that's an essential thing for the project to move forward thank you. >> (calling names.) >> good afternoon, sir. >> hello gentlemen and ladies i'm bill schwartz a resident of dog patch and i'm here to say that the loathing of the loop around 18th and 19th and illinois street is a very bad location to place the loop dog patch is changed so dramatically over the years since this was first planned in the late 90s i think willingly
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character war the most valuable player around that time it's a huge difference that's taken place there's three to four hundred cement trucks coming down the streets and bicycles we've become a bicycle city to put those two giant trains on illinois street which has become a residential street dog patch was once an industrial warehouse area there are new industrial business district south of 18th and 19th that won't be served so to speak as they run south the warriors are new in the area we're asking for new schools along the turn we're asking for
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as the sfmta to re-evaluate to seriously take a second look 83 at what this choice of a location that's what we're asking for. not just a casual oh, yeah, this looks like it will have a pothole here or interest it's not been given a serious assessment as to whether this 1997 or 8 decision still makes sen sense. >> thank you. >> (calling names). >> good morning, everyone. it was oufbs e obese when it was first started in discussion it couldn't stop at chinatown now your given a choice of why and how you go to fisherman's wharf part of the study they didn't mention was a discussion of
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going west this should be done at the same level of competitiveness maybe it's right to go underground on union street to the presidio that should be considered just as equally maybe it may work but you have to be more far sighed look a your part of the discussion i read will the complaining about the stations in chinatown already their complaining you did that change rather than two or three car changes to save and nickel this is a preempt preempt preempt consider going west to lombardy whatever works best but don't cut this thing short if you look at going you're getting into a
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discussion of how to get to fisherman's wharf by how do we serve the most people in san francisco maybe we finally get the benefits of isn't it true a light rail or subway system it decreases the need for transit and get rid of the 45 on union so you have all those things to consider and you should do it with consideration and daily the same detail go back and expand the study and do it in the seem detail thank you very much. >> thank you it up. >> (calling names) those are the last two people. >> howard wong s with safe mini transportation is our focus extra san francisco as 20 percent of ridership when they decided to eliminate their subway program and went to a
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transit preferential street program they created a world-class transit ridership integrated system the report you saw that's been heavily lobbied for for several years by the development interests and business interests that have the political connections and consultants the average citizen and transit rider didn't we don't think you and others to look at the boarder interests the citizenry how do we achieve higher transit for everyone in every neighborhood currently if you look at world transit and national trends they're a nexus but which transit is being improved in other city like the free
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chivalry system in baltimore and denver and aspen and long beach interesting funding models huge ridership gains when we proposed that this study take a look at some of the interesting concepts the staff of the sfmta immediately changed the study and said oh, it's not a permeate but a concept there ever they didn't have to look at each time so it's a $173 marketing instrument and the mta grant police station please look at other concepts and initiate a hundred thousand dollars study for the shuttle users. >> thank you km and he's the last person to turn in a speaker card. >> good afternoon. i'm the
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executive director of the fisherman's wharf representing the merchants in the fisherman's wharf district i'm concerned about the discussion we've had a survey i want to share the results they directly result to the t line the fisherman's wharf has been xefrns difficulty getting their workers to and from work a letter i found from peer 39 with when the center opened there was a mass exodus and american people employee getting to work and getting to bart before the last train runs in the evening the merchant the survey is ongoing we've had 48 merchants respond and at this point they shared they've curling lost 2 hundred and 31
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employees for transportation issues and 19 of the businesses shared their employee staffs and those 19 businesses have 6 hundred and 7 employees they currently have empty positions they can't attract people to the job the times are from 6 to 10 in the morning which seems to stem from overcrowding buses and streetcar that was the issue they cited with the increasing rents driving people to the suburbans the loss of the number ten bus and the anticipated law firms service we expect expect the problems to get worse i want to encourage a discussion we want to support and see more movement in looking at the t line thank you thank you. >> thank you. next speaker,
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please. >> directors i'm julie i was co-chair with sieving steve workshop and member of the next stop i want to thank the folks for not only they're performing by their enthusiasm for this project it was very welcome we're glad to see the f a ts for the project to take its place among the prongs my message is 3 things whereon this is my first subway let's build a subway without excuses and implications and caveats and regulates secondly, let's support our mature neighborhood with this rush of playing with funding of the transportation to support that housing and those
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jobs let's not forget your mature neighborhood none of us would support suburban sprawl but we expand and north beach intellect 3 is the cradle of san francisco our city began in those are neighborhoods we're choked unless the congestion can be removed from the streets with thirdly, let's plan the planning department is looking at the con radicals where the mta's mta we've got a 10 foot square feet place in north beach regardless of where in the cue it the cheaper and easier down the line help us take our right fill place and support in project in a fair position among the other projects and second help us to
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encourage the land use decisions to make that more feasible and economical in the future it's easy to explain why to build the subway and hard to explain it not to be built. >> members of the board have questions or comments. >> thank you all very much and congratulations on an informative for the and looking forward to seeing this process unfold it is good to see you all coming together from the different agencies i appreciate that that's the kind of collaborative effort we need to see more of i really like the idea of better connections to fisherman's wharf and the ma


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